If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
– If by Rudyard Kipling
Zora Neale Hurston (a Capricorn)
“There are years that ask questions and years that answer.”
― Zora Neale Hurston
“If you are silent about your pain, they’ll kill you and say you enjoyed it.”
― Zora Neale Hurston
“I made up my mind to keep my feelings to myself since they did not seem to matter to anyone else but me.”
― Zora Neale Hurston
“The present was an egg laid by the past that had the future inside its shell.”
― Zora Neale Hurston
Simone de Beauvoir (a Capricorn)
“What an odd thing a diary is: the things you omit are more important than those you put in.”
― Simone de Beauvoir
“I tore myself away from the safe comfort of certainties through my love for truth – and truth rewarded me.”
― Simone de Beauvoir
“If you live long enough, you’ll see that every victory turns into a defeat.”
― Simone de Beauvoir
“It is in the knowledge of the genuine conditions of our lives that we must draw our strength to live and our reasons for living.”
― Simone de Beauvoir
When evening in the Shire was grey
his footsteps on the Hill were heard;
before the dawn he went away
on journey long without a word.
From Wilderland to Western shore,
form northern waste to southern hill
through dragon-lair and hidden door
and darkling woods he walked at will.
With Dwarves and Hobbits, Elves and Men,
with mortal and immortal folk,
with bird on bough and beast in den,
in their own secret tongues he spoke.
A deadly sword, a healing hand,
a back that bent beneath its load;
a trumpet-voice, a burning brand,
a weary pilgrim on the road.
A lord of wisdom throned he sat,
swift in anger, quick to laugh;
an old man in a battered hat
who leaned upon a thorny staff.
He stood upon the bridge alone
and Fire and Shadow both defied;
his staff was broken on the stone,
in Khazad-dûm his wisdom died.
– Frodo’s Lament for Gandalf by J. R. R. Tolkien
Just a few words expressed from the mouths and hands of some of those born under the sign of Capricorn. There are many more whom I have left out.
Stephenie Meyer, for instance… her work may be familiar to you, and your Sun sign may have enjoyed the products of her thinking, perhaps with you even thinking she was writing about you, expressing your thoughts and the way that you think and feel… and yet, maybe, you’re not a Capricorn but another sign who just doesn’t get Capricorns, and perhaps doesn’t like them because you think they think in a way which displeases you… maybe those are not their thoughts but yours projected into their minds.
That’s just a thought… a thought is just oxygen’s way of moving around a brain.
If you really want to know, understand the thoughts of another being, whether they are a` Capricorn who is confounding you or anyone else, then you need to think how someone else thinks, immerse yourself in their words and see how they see, feel their thoughts as though they were yours.
Or maybe you don’t really want to know or understand how someone else, such as a Capricorn, thinks, you just say that you do because it sounds good and you sound good when you say it… and what you really want to achieve is something else.
– this is what Capricorn sounds like when they are being humorous, stop taking us so seriously and we won’t seem as annoying as you think we are.
“Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won’t come in.”
― Isaac Asimov
Hello again. Another post rich with your unique hues, nuances, and fragrances :).
You write, “If you really want to know…” The statement begs the question, do you really want to know? Do you really want to know that almost all astrology was written by northern hemisphere astrologers where “cold” Capricorn is a winter sign? In Brisbane, Australia, the forecast was for 23° C and Capricorn is “warm” … and what of Cancer? does Cancer, in the middle of the southern hemisphere winter, suggest a “cold” home environment?
Even more, in Vedic/sidereal astrology many Capricorns are Sagittarius … and of the many astro-tudes–platitudes about Sagittarius, one includes cantankerous self-righteousness, arguing for his or her opinions with an almost-dogmatic air of authority.
In tropical astrology, Al Capone was Capricorn. So was Benedict Arnold. What might they say about how “a Capricorn thinks?”
To add more mind-stretching, you may find enjoy reading about the degree symbols for your Venus and Mercury:
(The degree is rounded up to the next number; hence, a planet listed as 0°35′ Aries is read as Aries 1.)
Elsewhere you wrote, “One of the best search terms I have found in the search term stats of my blog is this one – why do empaths find it hard to tolerate narcissists? – why indeed, if they are truly empaths then they should be able to understand the other side of the relationship equation, the narcissist’s viewpoint, regardless of agreeing or disagreeing, opinion, perspective or judgement.”
For more than a year I volunteered twice a week answering the phone on a suicide hotline. Later, I volunteered in hospice. In both situations, the proximity of death opens the heart-mind to listening and “being with.”
Questions: does a narcissist truly listen? Is a narcissist capable of listening? Do narcissists cry?
And as your birthday approaches 🙂 … with so many planets transiting your natal 4th House, I sincerely wish you wellness and well-being. The Mercury/Venus conjunction that happens then may bring lightness and joyfulness. Mercury loves to communicate; Venus adds harmony, beauty, and softness.<3 With your sensitivity, artistic abilities, and sense of aesthetics, the Mercury/Venus conjunction suggests a space of harmony in which communication may flow smoothly and gracefully.
With reverent respect,
Thank you 🙂
Gosh you’re comment is chock-a-block full of delicious food for thought!
I had a chat a while back with a fellow Capricorn who was born in a Capricorn Summer. It’s an intriguing way of exploring the meanings which we assign to signs based on the seasonal influence of the hemispheres, and how much influence such a thing actually has.
My father was a Cancer, his home life from his personal experience of it was definitely cold (he had Moon in Cap), but from the outside it probably seemed nurturing.
There is often a juxtaposition between external perspective and what is going on inside, behind and underneath what is seen by others.
Same applies to narcissists. How they appear to others, how others experience them and what others decide about them based on their experience of them – that’s the external perspective of them (based on the internal experience of the person looking at them). The internal world of a narcissist is not dissimilar to the internal world of non-narcissists except it is more skewed towards a perpetual darkness. If a non-narcissist wants to understand what is going on inside a narcissist, then it requires taking what is going on inside of the non-narcissist and exaggerating the dark aspects until they blot out the light aspects, eclipsing them.
So, yes, narcissists cry… they usually need an audience for their tears, and they often end up drowning their audience with the flood of tears. It becomas a Greek tragedy or a night at the opera.
Narcissists do listen, but not in the way the person speaking wants them to do it. What they hear versus what the speaker wants to be heard is usually very different. They are actually very adept at listening, and they use what they hear to adapt their persona. They often repeat what another has said to them, word for word at times, only they tend to say it as though they thought of it themselves. They are verbal plagiarists. And they are often oblivious that they’re doing it because of the way that they listen. It’s not the same kind of listening which non-narcissists do. They hear without hearing, and will rarely acknowledge what someone has said unless it’s flattering or they’re using it against the speaker – in which case the speaker’s words will get twisted to serve the narcissist.
I developed this habit when speaking to my mother to repeat what I wanted her to hear at least three times, then I’d wait for her to repeat it as though she’d just thought of it herself as then I knew she had heard it. This habit caused a problem for me when speaking to non-narcissists as I’d keep repeating myself and this was weird for them because they’d heard me the first time, which was weird for me.
So if you want a narcissist to listen, keep repeating the same thing over and over until they start saying it, then they’ve heard it… just don’t expect them to acknowledge that you said it to them or to give you credit for it (if it is an idea). They only do that when they’re trying to poke you to get a rise out of you, blame you for something, shift the fault of an idea gone wrong – then they remember the idea was yours and they give you credit for their cock-up.
Basically, narcissists are like any other people, they’re just very skewed people, twisted out of the usual person shape into something which in certain lighting casts the shadow of something scary. Shadow puppets at Halloween.
I’ve explored the John Sandbach blog before, he does Sabian symbol stuff which is very interesting. I like the Sabian symbols, it’s like reading Nostradamus’ riddles. What you find in them… is you finding yourself in the words of another. Always an intriguing and insightful way to explore the self and what’s going on in there.
It’s kind of like cherry-picking and then reading the cherries which you’ve picked.
Al Capone and Benedict Arnold weren’t authors, that’s why they and loads of other Caps weren’t picked for this post. I’m surprised you left out Richard Nixon and Edgar J. Hoover. They tend to be the go-to for the more notorious side of Cap thinking. 😉
What I wanted to do with this post was show the other sides of Capricorn thought, not the ones most associated with the style of thinking of the sign. Tolkien had Sun and Mercury (only just) in Cap. His stories are marvelously Saturnian in an inspirational way.
I like to approach the negative from a flipping it around angle, see the other sides, see the Yin/Yang combined. That’s my Jupiter/Uranus aspecting my Merc influence.
I was looking at your chart (western style – flatlanderish) today. You shared your details a while ago with me. And you have Jupiter/Uranus aspecting each other too, and they combine with some very strong placements in your chart. Chiron is caught up in a Neptune and Jupiter sandwich in your 10th – explains your attraction to a career in healing, to exploring the deep within others to help them heal, and your own healing through healing others, discovering your heart through the act of giving to others. And Pluto in the 9th – the quest for deeper knowledge. Very intriguing chart, potent mixes and conversations between signs and planets going on (and that’s just looking at it in ordinary 2-D). Your Moon is almost in the same place by degree in the 12th just above the Asc as mine is. It explained something about the way you express yourself here, you do something which I don’t come across often but which I do myself, and I haven’t been doing it so much with you… because you’ve been doing it with me. 12th house Moon stuff 🙂
It’s my 5th which is busy at the moment, the 4th is empty now, waiting for the inevitable visit from Saturn, to which I’m actually looking forward.
Thank you so much for sharing so much!
I am swooning 🙂 Thank you for your exquisite comments. One that truly helps: “So if you want a narcissist to listen, keep repeating the same thing over and over until she starts saying it, then she’s heard it.” Thank you … in an odd way, those words are comforting because they may explain Mom. Born with Virgo Sun, she had an exact midpoint connection of Pluto on Moon/Saturn. A simplistic generality: Moon/Saturn detest each other: Saturn repressing Moon’s emotions and emotionalism. Also, she had a very close Mars to Saturn/Pluto midpoint: extremely!! repressed anger. There were times that she would make a hissing sound, literally. The hairs on the back of my neck stood up straight. Yikes. I did not have the tools to converse with her. With your Moon/Asc in Virgo, you may have succeeded. However, with my Scorpio Moon. (Moon is Scorpio is in “fall”), Mom was too threatening. I went inward to find solace and comfort (INFP), thus, activating the 12th House Moon/Asc connection that we share.
I am going to do an one-word edit of something written by Dana Gerhardt: “…because of her mother’s [narcissism], X was robbed of much of the emotional comforts of her Moon. Typically, 12th-house Moons aren’t allowed their neediness as children. They learn to cope well, become masters of self-sufficiency, and are often especially gifted at taking care of others. But repressing their neediness doesn’t make it disappear. It just slips behind the 12th-house veil.”
Because you already know John Sandbach, you may enjoy his interpretation of Moon/Asc:
Best wishes and reverent thanks 🙂
Thank you very much ❤
Moon in the 12th = mother (Moon) is a hidden enemy. Takes forever for someone with the Moon in the 12th to figure that riddle out. Partly because our emotions (Moon) are hidden (12th) from us too , especially the personal side of emotions as the 12th is about the collective conscious and unconscious – we can tap into how others feel more easily then how we feel, and often dismiss our own personal emotions because of it.
I found a certain wisdom about and from my own emotions by exploring the diverse sides of the sign my Moon is in (Virgo, in my case – a Virgo Moon is analytical). A Scorpio Moon must delve into the hidden depths and let those depths engulf it, then reveal meaning (aided in your case by a potent Pluto placement).
Trust what is deep within… trust deeply in yourself.
Many thanks for thsee – especially “If.” I’ve never thought of Capricorns as being difficult (except for my ex-narcissist, and I don’t think he particularly exhibits the characteristics of any sign because he is so messed up). When I stop to think of those I’ve known, they have been pretty great people. 🙂
‘If’ is a classic… of Saturnine wisdom.
Capricorns, like every other sign, can be A-holes, but just like every other sign, they can be the opposite too, and many shades in between. It’s just one of many ways to explore who we are and who others are, to see the world through many perspectives and yet never lose sight of our own 🙂
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