Out of the Mouths of Capricorns

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Matt Mullenweg is the creator of WordPress – he’s also a Capricorn

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The other day I received a comment on one of my Capricorn posts – Do you have relationship problems with a Capricorn? – from someone who definitely seems to have a problem with the sign.

Their comment isn’t going to get approved… can you guess why?

This is the comment in its entirety, including the link they added (as proof of their point?):

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“EVERY CAPRICORN I HAVE KNOWN INTAMITELY HAS BEEN A CHEATER. ACTUALLY THE CAPRICORN’S TRUE DESIRE IS: TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION.

“Secretly Capricorn wants to be admired by their family and friends, and the world at large!”

http://m.psychicguild.com/horoscopes-zodiac/Capricorn

CAPRICORNS ARE SELFISH BY NATURE. TRUE ALTRUISM IS NOT AT THEIR CENTER.”

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It’s not because of the typo.

I do have Virgo rising but being picky about typos is not one of this Virgo rising’s hobbies. I’m picky about my pickiness. I make so many typos myself that I’d never write anything if I was bothered by typos – and what I apply to myself I endeavour to apply to others, so if I’m cutting myself slack to make spelling mistakes you get the benefit of that too. Besides most people write comments on their phones and I still haven’t figured out how to do that without turning into a pissed off pirate who has just had his leg bitten off by a shark and is bleeding curses.

It’s not because they hate Capricorns.

I’m a Capricorn Sun, people hating our sign is par for the course – it tests our mettle which is an essential ingredient for our sign.

People not hating our sign is far more upsetting because we’ve got used to being hated and dealing with that, so being liked is foreign territory. Please excuse us if we’re clumsy when you like us, and even more awkward when you love us. If we run away just after you said ‘I love you’ and become eerily quiet… it’s because you’re scaring the crap out of us.

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Rudyard Kipling – a Capricorn

and the author of that famous poem If… “If you can keep your head when all about you, Are losing theirs and blaming it on you…”

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I’ve approved far more hate-fueled comments than this one – one person deemed that all Capricorns should be killed. They’d obviously been hurt badly and deeply by their particular Capricorns and thus their pain had devised genocide as a cure.

Other people who saw genocide as a means to an end:

Hitler – a Taurus

Pol Pot – a Taurus

Pinochet – a Sagittarius

And the Rwandan Genocide happened under Aries and was brought to an end by a Libra.

Osama Bin Laden  – a Pisces

Saddam Hussein – another Taurus (this sign has quite a few dictators but that doesn’t mean every Taurus is a tyrant – Who’s Your Daddy? Tyrants and Dictators)

George W – a Cancer (as in the zodiac sign and not the disease)… I’m straying a bit here off the genocide track…

While I’m at it… Trump is a Gemini and Hilary is a Scorpio.

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Martin Luther King jr – a Capricorn

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It’s not because they didn’t share their own Sun sign.

Sure, I’d prefer it if they did, but I can understand why they didn’t.It could have been an oversight, but I’d hazard a guess it was deliberate.

If you attack a Sun sign and do so on the blog of someone of that Sun sign (and you’ve understood that they are of that Sun sign… which I’m not sure if some people realise that about me when they’re hating on Capricorns here),  and you’ve got some smarts about you (perhaps you have a quick-thinking Mercury or at least one which can play life-chess), you’re going to assume that their most likely reaction to your attack is a counter-attack, so you’re not going to give them ammo for their weapon. You’re not going to tell them your Sun sign so they can rip into it… like you ripped into theirs.

Art of War 101 – if you’re going to get stabby make sure you’re the only one in the scenario who has a knife (and that your knife is the only weapon) and make sure you keep a firm hold of your knife (and it doesn’t get turned on you).

I’m not good at guessing peoples’ Sun signs, but sometimes I try to do it anyway. Failure isn’t a problem… fear of failure is far more of one.

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Yogananda – a Capricorn

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Whoever said that failure wasn’t an option really backed themselves into an impossible corner (that quote is attributed to Gene Kranz, a Leo, and a flight director for space missions – but he said he didn’t say it and that it was made up for the film – Apollo 13. Mind you, if he did say it, in that particular instance, you can understand why he would say it and what he meant).

Speaking of Leos… the points which the commentor hates about Capricorn kind of suit a stereotypical Leo more. Selfish and wanting to be the centre of attention… LEO! But a Leo wouldn’t see that as a negative… unless someone else was doing it and shading a Leo’s shine.

I’m guessing this person ain’t a Leo as those of the sign would probably shout – I’m a LEO!!! from the rooftops.  They’re probably not an Aries either as Aries doesn’t have time to stew over the past they’re too busy moving forwards in the present and into the future. Probs not a Sag either as they can’t be bothered with people who bother them.

But then again people aren’t always expressing their Sun sign when they express themselves… mess with me and my Capricorn Sun will be the least of your worries. I have Pluto in the 1st house (which trines my Sun – so Pluto and Sun work in cahoots to forget you and your shit) and Mars in Scorpio (I’ll never forget you and your shit – elephant memory with a vengeance), but I will do my best to understand why I find you to be such an a-hole (insert pacifist aspects here).

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Joan Baez – a Capricorn

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Want to know who a person is (which may or may not tell you what their Sun sign is) look at what matters to them, what bothers them – the issues with which they take issue.

This person hates cheaters – everyone hates cheaters including cheaters, perhaps especially cheaters – because no one likes having done to them what they do to others.

This person hates those who want to be the centre of attention – we all hate those people because they’re so loud and annoying with their LOOK AT ME ME ME (this is a hint for why this comment isn’t getting approved), especially when they’re stealing the attention away from us which we think we deserve more than they do. How very dare they!

And if we once found their attention seeking tactics attractive and that attraction hurt us… we’re so (NOT) over it and them.

This person hates those who are selfish – again this narrows nothing down as we all hate selfish people, particularly when they’re making things all about them while we want them to make things all about us!

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Betty White – a Capricorn

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What stood out was the mention of altruism…

most people don’t mention this in most conversations about anything or anyone really, so this is unusual.

It’s certainly not an association which is ever made with Capricorns – so expecting Capricorns to be altruistic is weird.

This focus on altruism and its importance – and its lack which they consider to be very bad – may point towards this person’s Sun Sign (or Moon sign, or Venus sign, or Mars, or Mercury…)

ugh! I don’t know what this is a sign of (maybe Libra or Aquarius as they’re the signs which usually make a fuss about philosophical and abstract concepts)…

but I can guess what it’s not a sign of…

it’s not a sign of altruism

as this person does not seem to be disinterested or show selfless concern for the well-being of others (at least not those others who are Capricorns).

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Albert Schweitzer – a Capricorn

(I had a major crush on this man when I was a kid – typical, maybe, of the kind of crushes young Cappies have, so serious when young – watch out when we get old ’cause we get really silly!)

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It’s because THEY’RE SHOUTING.

If you want a Capricorn to listen to you, to take time to hear what you have to say and take you seriously – DON’T SHOUT!

If you want your comment approved when that comment is telling me that I am a piece of shit like everyone else who is part of my ‘group’, do it quietly. I can hear you without you needing to SHOUT! I hear you better when you don’t SHOUT! I’m more willing to listen if you’re talking in a quiet manner and have manners while doing it.

Respect me and I’ll respect you… don’t respect me and I have no reason to respect you and every reason to disrespect you – you’ve given me carte blanche with your attitude. You’ve made me one of the damned – the damned have nothing to lose and will be damned if they’re going to subject their ears to your SHOUTING!

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Alan Watts – a Capricorn

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Make your statement logical, intelligent and try to avoid being what you say you can’t abide people being – the latter is something which often scuppers a really good point, argument or debate.

If your words are strong in and of themselves there is no need to SHOUT!

I grew up with parents who SHOUTED rather than talk. A Cancer and a Leo locked in an endless battle of wills, fighting for power over each other and everyone else in their kingdom… it grew tiresome. Their SHOUTING became something I tuned out, or associated with those who have so much noise going on inside of their minds that… they can’t hear what they’re saying, aren’t listening to themselves saying what they’re SHOUTING, don’t realise that they’re contradicting themselves, making their point weak, and making themselves appear foolish…

if you aren’t listening to yourself why should I?

Because you’re SHOUTING!!! and that’s supposed to elevate you over others who have something to say? Get attention centred upon you because you deserve it more than anyone else? Your point has more value than anyone else’s?

Hmmmm…

You didn’t try talking to me as one human being to another, you just escalated to shouting before finding out if I needed you to shout for me to hear you…

your choice leads me to my own choice.

Funny how things work sometimes…

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Isaac Newton – a Capricorn

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Although I may just be reading more into it than is there… maybe they just suffered from a momentary case of the CAPS-lock.

Maybe I’m being unfair.

Maybe I need to rethink things…

review my attitude, decision, and reflect upon what this has stirred up for me.

Hmmm…

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Muhammad Ali – a Capricorn

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I think I’d better do some thinking now… what about you, what are you doing now?

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16 thoughts on “Out of the Mouths of Capricorns

  1. Hey, hey, look at me, happy and beautiful as can be! 😀 (Just a little Leo humour. 🙂 )

    I still get flummoxed by people who hide behind their screens and write complete shit. It’s sort of like internet road rage.

    And btw, (don’t run 🙂 ) I think you’re pretty great.

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    1. Thank you 😀

      I’m totally flummoxed atm by cleavage-gate. Some people just want the world to wind them up so they can go, go, go… off on a rant and ahhhh! Rant over they feel better for about five seconds until the next rant.

      I could totally use a Leo pill sometimes…. hmmmm… I’ve just had an entrepreneurial idea (which I’m not going to do anything about due to my lazy non-Capricorn astro).

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      1. I don’t know if it’s a Leo thing, but I can get very silly and laugh at things that others find stupid. I will share my pill any time I can. 🙂

        Ranting – now that’s something that my ex-narcissist used to do. He thought it was a forum for proving his superiority (sure), but it also acted like a drug. Yup. Five seconds later he was back at it. Like you, it used to send me to the ceiling.

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  2. Hi, again,

    I kinda wanted to write something. It’s so rude that someone who is angry projects that anger to other people. Saying that all Capricorns should be killed or I don’t know what that person wrote is so aggressive. I get that he/she is hurt but hey, all of us have been hurt. I think that that was in affect, and I wish that person can get thru that anger period.

    As of you, I know it’s rude to ask, but I will still do it 🙂 How old are you? I ask because you seem very wise, and I respect your decision of wanting to keep this place calm and friendly. As that being said, I love to read your posts, especially those about Capricorns (because I am a Cap to :D)

    Friendly greetings from a Capricorn 🙂

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    1. Thank you very much friendly Capricorn 😀

      I don’t mind being asked my age, I’m 47, and really enjoying it so much more than previous ages. My 40’s have been liberating, it’s like a flip switched and I relaxed, became more accepting of the mess that I am.

      I grew up with angry shouty people who often said outrageous and aggressive things – some people never get through their angry period, they need to accuse and blame others for stuff and feel righteous about it. It’s just how some people are. For others it is a phase, part of the 5 stages of grief, and their anger is a necessary part of the process of healing from a trauma.

      I really love writing posts about being a Capricorn, it’s an incredibly interesting sign 😉

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      1. Omg, I am twice younger than you, so yes, I totally think you are wise. 🙂

        Well they do say that Capricorns are more younger when they are older. I do see that in me. I am like a 80year old lady. I love it, but I don’t think that I should be that “old.”

        And I love to read and share about our sign. I also think that it’s a very interesting sign.

        I do have some thing that I would like to share and ask for your experience and advice if I can, but it’s kinda for post about relationships problems with Capricorn, so I am going to write it there if that is fine with you.

        Keep up with good work. 🙂

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        1. Thank you 🙂

          When I was younger I usually felt 100 yrs old most of the time (or at least how I though 100 yrs old should feel) but now that I’m older, while my body may be feeling its age sometimes, the rest of me is actually feeling younger than it ever did before – whether this really is a Capricorn aging backwards thing or just something which happens when you get older and realise you were too serious when you were younger and now that you’re older you realise that being that serious isn’t necessary or useful… I don’t know.

          Share whatever you would like to wherever you would like to share it as you would like to share – and I’ll share my perspective. Remember I’m me and you’re you, so while we may have similarities (like being Cappies) there are also differences, and ultimately you’re the wise one in your life even when you may not feel or think you are – you are 🙂

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  3. I have some questions about Cappy,s because some things don,t make sense to me.
    I read years ago before internet days some astrological survey claimed that people born under the sign of Capricorn were most likely to remain single and live on their own. This survey did not suggest that Cappy,s were lonely and unable to attract partners it went on to mention that other signs were more likely to experience certain things more than others. I am unable to refer any credibility to this survey I just read it in a book of astrology in Waterstones.
    I understand that Cappy,s fear rejection and this is the part I don,t get because in your blog you said that it scares the life out of Cap,s if we say we love you and becomes awkward if we even like you. So if I am correct about the rejection theory then how can you reconcile the fear with something that opposes that by saying that we love or like you? I think I live in this foreign territory you speak of and its been home to me for ages so what’s the lingo say nowt nice at all? Maybe that’s why there are more single Cappy,s than others because they got so scared of an emotional connection.
    I dare,nt say I like the blog now, but I did. Happy days to you,

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    1. Thank you 🙂

      If a person says – being liked and loved is an awkward experience for me – they’re usually not saying – therefore don’t like or love me so that I don’t have to experience awkward. It’s not a demand or command, it’s not an attempt to control others to thus control their experience of others (although in some cases it might be if you’re dealing with a certain type of person), it’s an observation they’re making about themselves. They’ve noticed this about themselves and they may be sharing this information with others perhaps because they’ve realised that others might be affected by it, might take it personally and so they are explaining their behaviour as being personal to them so that others can understand it and not take it personally.

      In my case I often give other people a heads up about my quirks to preempt the misunderstandings which I’ve noticed often occur if I don’t say anything and leave them to draw their own conclusions – since people have a tendency to take the behaviour of others personally when those others are with them it can be a relief for them to know that the reason you’re running away from them has nothing to do with them, you’re just a scaredy weirdo. I usually shout – I’ll be back in few shakes of a shaky thing – when I’m running away 😉

      Most people tend to fear rejection, it’s not just a Cappy thing – a lot of the quirks people have are due to their personal fears of being rejected, found lacking, being hurt, etc.

      As for a Capricorn’s reason for fearing rejecting, this post might shed some light – http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/is-there-a-zodiac-sign-you-cut-less-slack-to-than-the-others/ – I read it shortly after writing this post and it made me chuckle because of the timing being so perfect.

      The first words of the post – I tend to high expectations of Capricorn. – and quite a few of the commentors on this post said the same thing, that they had high expectations of Capricorn as a sign.

      When people have high expectations of you… while it can be a compliment it can also be a burden – the burden of now being responsible for this person’s high expectations (hopes, dreams, ideals) which tend to inevitably lead to fall into disappointment.

      When people like or love you they tend to have expectations of you – in some ways you could say that liking or loving someone is an investment in them and you want a return on your investment.

      It seems that when people like or love a Capricorn, that liking and loving comes with high expectations – which means that it also comes with a greater chance of being not good enough, not living up to their high expectations and having to deal with the fallout of falling off the pedestal they’ve placed you on (without necessarily asking you if you wanted to be on that pedestal) and the burden of their disappointment in you which they will expect you to shoulder.

      That might explain why a Capricorn might choose to remain single, or feel lonely – it’s lonely in the land of the high expectations of others, most people would not choose to live there due to the high winds, bitter cold, and rarefied air, therefore it is sparsely populated.

      One of the things I like about Elsa Elsa’s blog is the conversations which go on in the comments – Some commentors explained why they had high expectations of Cappy. They said it’s because Capricorns have high standards for themselves and are hard on themselves (YAY!).

      Those high standards are often applied to others too. If you have high expectations for a Capricorn, that Capricorn is going to expect you to live up to their high standards if you expect them to shoulder the burden of your high expectations – so that may explain why Capricorn is a sign that might find it hard to attract partners.

      There are a lot of theories about signs in astrology – much of what is said about signs are generalisations based on observations (observations sometimes made by other signs). Sun sign interpretations have to encompass everyone born during the time of that sign every year. Some years there are planets in the signs which will change that sign for a generation – like those born now have Pluto firmly in Capricorn. Some will have Pluto conjunct Sun – that’s going to create a different kind of Capricorn from someone without a Pluto/Sun connection.

      For a more specific interpretation you need to take into account all the nuances of a natal chart, and then add to that all the nuances of their life.

      It’s fun to explore and wonder, and make wild statements which may or may not be true or apply to everyone 😉

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      1. Maybe I,m different about this love/ like thingy I have thought about this and the loves that I have shared in the past I never had any expectations I was just happy if they turned up from time to time!! I never really had any major disappointments in their characters I shrugged my shoulders and sighed many a time but that’s how it is with earthlings.
        If I have this right ( probably don,t cos I am a bit thick) so if we like your style of writing and all the work that you put into it – we can,t say because it makes it awkward for you- that’s the bit I don,t get. For me I am not expecting you to surpass your last posts I just look forward to what you have to say its simply interesting and sometimes changes the way I think about things.
        Because my Gf is Capricorn and still in the clink this is a new experience for me trying to figure out what she might be feeling and your posts have helped-that’s all,
        Anyways thanks for your reply

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        1. We’re all different, and yet so similar, which is why people are fascinating 🙂

          I prefer it when people tell me what they want to tell me, when they share what they feel like sharing, whether it’s about me or themselves or someone else or something else. My favourite kind of talk is straight talk – just say whatever is on your mind. Straight up. If it makes it awkward for me then I’ll deal with my awkward feels, for the most part that kind of awkwardness is a very fleeting feeling and is gone as soon as it came.

          What I really don’t like is when people try to cater to who they think I am because they’re afraid of whoever they think I am, or they’re afraid of upsetting me, they want to be seen a certain way so they need for me to react a certain way which means they need to figure out what to say to get me to react the way they need me to react for them to be who they want to see themselves as being, or they want something from me, or they’re worried about being themselves as they are because that makes them feel awkward so they go out of their way to please others rather than just being genuine which is far more pleasing – that is so complicated and creates a whole other kind of awkward.

          If you like a post and want to say that – say it. It always makes me smile when people do and I don’t feel awkward about it, not anymore anyway because I’ve had a lot of practice and it no longer feels so awkward. When I first started blogging and someone told me they liked something I wrote I would have a mini-meltdown because I didn’t know what to do next, but now I’m like – Yes, of course you like my post it is brilliant! 😉 I’m only half-joking about that 😀

          If you really want to know what your girlfriend is feeling you can

          a) ask her and listen to all the ways that humans communicate about themselves (words are a tiny portion of the communication). If she doesn’t want to tell you how she’s feeling – that’s a feeling too. But even if she tells you nothing with her words, her body, face, vibe… all these speak volumes.

          b) imagine being her using what you know of her and her story, recreate it as you and your story and see how it makes you feel. We all know (okay I’m making a huge assumption here) what it’s like to hit our thumb with a hammer so we can relate when someone else does that, we know how that feels – they may not feel it like we feel it, but it’ll be close enough to get a feel for their feels.

          I imagine one of the things she’s feeling is perplexed about you, I’m guessing she has never met anyone like you before. You’re a mysterious person… so you might want to consider how your mysteriousness may be seen from her point of view as that will relate to how she feels too.

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          1. Thanks for your reply. I really liked paragraph 2 -I do hold back mainly because I am not so bright as others and I know it. I can carry out complex tasks quite easily but if there was an exam on the subject matter I would fail. I sometimes understand more by what I see or feel than what I hear. I cannot gauge my Gf,s feelings visually because she does,nt want me to see her where she is. She can write and has written personally to me in the past but despite my letters to her there has been little response recently. In fact I have,nt heard from her for 3/4 weeks now except for one phone call last week where she called me and said” hello” and put the phone down. I probably am more generous with deeds and words than any-one else she has known. She never had a good relationship with her mother and her father walked out on her when she was so young. I have considered abandoning ship I think that’s what she expects which is why I asked is that what Cp,s expect from relationships people giving up on them especially in dire circumstances. Now I wonder if my ways are indeed mysterious and making her wonder what the heck is he playing at why is he sending me this that and the other yes I do need socks,underwear and stamps but I never thought I,d get them stuck in here.-my user name of Francoise is out of respect for my old neighbour in France a great woman as you know had her sun sign in Capricorn. Bon week-end

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            1. What you described re: tests, learning, etc, sounds a lot like what I experience with my dyslexia. My dyslexia can make me seem and feel incredibly dumb, slow, stupid, especially on things which other people seem to find easy. I can’t learn by hearing instructions, I need hands on personal experience, pictures, visual understanding and a mind’s eye view, or I have no idea wtf is going on. I hate talking to people over the phone because I can’t see them, I can’t see the context of their words, the words are going too fast to visualise what they’re saying.

              However something like your girlfriend calling you on the phone and just saying ‘Hello’ then hanging up – that is one word with a big visual impact. That ‘hello’ is saying more than if she had stayed on the line and spoken for an hour. That’s one intense ‘hello’ – it’s basically a hand reaching out of the water grabbing on to to one person they know can actually see them when all anyone else sees is water.

              From what I know of you using what you’ve allowed yourself to share of yourself with me here – you are very bright. I’ve pegged you as very intelligent, perhaps too intelligent for your own good because you see things which others may wish to hide and you interact with people on a level which can make others uncomfortable. You are heart speaking to heart – many people try to hide their hearts to protect them, but you bypass their security systems, their defensive mind.

              You know your girlfriend needs these things without her having to ask you – asking for those things may be very difficult for her, but you make it easy by knowing what she wants before… maybe even she knows what she wants. This will both unnerve her and warm her heart – unnerve her because her heart is very frightened of feeling warm, it’s been hurt thousands of times, each time it opened itself up a knife would plunge itself into it. So what you do confuses her, because it is nothing she has experienced before.

              Just as with Francoise – Francoise was not expecting to meet someone like you, she had lived a long life full of people who had made her wary of people, and then she met you and she experienced someone who is nothing like she had every experienced before.

              In a world which tends to eat people while they’re alive, you are a nourishing soul for those with wounded hearts and minds protective of their wounded hearts – you can open even a book which has glued its pages together – this will both fascinate and frighten those whom you chose to love and focus your attention upon.

              Keep being you as you are and see how others see it – you need to see how who you are affects those close to you to understand how and why they are the way they are with you.

              You are mysterious to others – this will have many sides to it. Sometimes you might need to elucidate some of the mystery to get closer to someone, and sometimes keeping the mystery as a mystery is exactly how things should be. Maybe your girlfriend needs this mystery as everything is rather bleak in her life right now, and perhaps the mystery of you keeps her going – her ‘Hello’ appears to be proof of that, maybe.

              Where’s your Chiron? Have you explored it?

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              1. There was so much sensibility in your reply together with the accuracy of an arrow landing directly in the bulls eye. Although I now have a problem nice one or not with this awkwardness and confusion that I am causing I can honestly say that there was no intent to do either of those things. I am thinking about that cake for Francoise, the things that I have done for my gf and just as concerning is showing you such admiration for you blogs and sympathetic replies .Its just that you have the ability to respond well to others and I felt that it needed saying –silence was not appropriate. Up to now I had never really given much thought to my actions its as you said if it feels right for you then go ahead -the motive being trying to show goodness and kindness without reward. I will give this more thought and think again before I do something.
                And hey welcome me to the Capricorn club because that’s where my chiron is- think its in the fifth house- four doors up from me near the 24 hour garage ha- along with virgo in Saturn and Venus in Taurus so I have a sprinkling of earthy bits oh and I am a tree hugger love trees.
                And yes ,I will admit and this is a once only confession I do know where the heart is- its everything for closeness to a person, security fencing,brickwalls,moats,reinforced steel doors I,ve encountered them all-once in there is never ever a betrayal. Loyalty is paramount and I would rather face a firing squad than reveal anything. My shared experiences with women have helped me enormously understand women better. So there, maybe that’s why I am mysterious and too your right about my current gf her heart is so very fragile and maybe beyond repair.

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