Okay, let’s try and do this a little less chaotically (if you happened to wander into my last post – How To (Probably NOT) Read Your Astrology Chart – you’ll know what I mean by that).
So what is a Rising sign (otherwise known as the Ascendant)?
Well, it’s basically the face you put on to meet and greet the world. It’s your go-to social mode. It’s how you filter yourself for others – you could be an insane bundle of screaming and shouting inside but if your rising sign is in a reserved sign (like mine is, in Virgo) you’ll appear perfectly sane on the outside for as long as that veneer can hold it all in and back from the world beyond.
Your rising sign may be the sign which people guess as being your Sun sign if they’re playing the – guess someone’s zodiac sign – game. It may also be the one they experience as being ‘you’ (especially if they’re only bothering to get to know you superficially) and it will confuse matters for those who are using Sun signs and the barest generalised sound bite interpretations of them to rate, label, categorise and demonise or angelise people. Go on an astrology forum and you’ll commonly find two types of threads:
one wherein people are stereotyping a Sun sign to death (usually not their own sign) – All Cancers are cry babies shouts an Aries, so true mine cries every time I stab him hisses a Scorpio, HAHA laughs a Leo my Cancer who belongs to me and is mine cries because I’m so beautiful, I love Cancers they’re so sensitive but they do cry a little bit too easily says the fair-minded Libra, bunch of pussies states a Saggitarius, I think my Cancerian may use crying to get me to shut up wonders a Gemini, etc.
and one where people of a certain Sun sign are discussing how annoying it is when other people of other Sun signs stereotype their Sun sign to death – I never cry and yet my Leo still thinks I’m crying it must be an ego thing for him, my Aries jumps to the conclusion I’m crying because I close my eyes when she’s shouting, I do cry sometimes but there’s usually a very good reason for it but I certainly don’t cry as often as people think I do, I think Cancer is the most misunderstood sign of all the zodiac, I blame Capricorns for this wrong impression of Cancers being cry babies they’re so stone cold they think sweat is tears, etc.
You’ll find threads like this about every sign and every sign seems to think it’s the most misunderstood, misinterpreted, and used as the brunt of other Sun signs misplaced issues.
This just hits a most delectable funny bone for me…
I am typical of everyone else and have written about my Sun sign being misunderstood, misinterpreted (best interpretation of a Capricorn which I’ve ever read was written by a Capricorn astrologer -Steven Forrest, second best was written by an Aries – Linda Goodman), and being the brunt of the issues of other Sun signs perhaps due to Capricorn being a goat and thus a ‘scapegoat’. I get quite a bit of traffic on one of the posts I wrote about my Sun sign – Do you have relationship problems with a Capricorn? – and often get asked by other people to explain why their Capricorn is being difficult, distant, mean, a twat (I also get the occasional Capricorn hate mail comment which sometimes includes another Sun sign who may withhold what sign they are while laying into mine because mine’s out in the open, who thinks they’re a good person but wishes to kill all Capricorns because they see all Capricorns as bad people and therefore the world would be a better place without them – except this new and improved without Capricorns world will still contain people like them who think genocide solves relationship problems). I asked the question and people answered, so I feel obliged to deal with what I started, to deal with the consequences of my blogging action. Sometimes it’s a pleasure, it can also be a pain because… there’s so much more to be considered than just someone’s Sun sign, than just the Capricorn’s Sun sign, especially in a relationship problem.
And that’s where my Virgo rising, Mercury ruled chart (due to Virgo rising), Mercury dominant (which is different from Mercury ruled and calculated using all of the chart and everything in it not just the rising sign – What planet dominates you?), and Mercury in Aquarius kicks in and tries to explain…
The other day I shared my natal chart without the aspect lines, this is what it looks like with the aspect lines to all ‘objects’, see what a mess… this is what everyone’s natal chart looks like, so it’s not just about our Sun sign or anyone else’s.
In a relationship you have two charts like this interacting – there are a couple of charts you can draw up which are relationship specific charts showing how your chart and someone else’s interact, showing the relationship dynamics in an astrology chart (don’t worry I’m not going there today, I’ve strayed enough from the subject of this post already).
I may seem like a whacko on my blog, rambling, ranting, going off on wild tangents, and generally causing a communication mess, but that’s because on here my Mercury in Aquarius and all the aspects which affect it (unusual thinking brought to you by Uranus trine Mercury, ranting brought to you mainly by Mars square Mercury which never stops arguing with itself and everything) is in charge. My Mars, along with my Neptune is in the 3rd house of ‘communication style’, so getting powered up by something which makes me angry and then expressing it in a confusing manner is ‘normal’ for me according to my astro.
My blog also has a very different chart to my natal chart (it’s got a lot of Pisces, thus it’s a Neptunian blur… I’m not sure what the rising sign of my blog’s chart is because I didn’t make a note of what time this blog was born… also not sure ‘where’ it was born). I talk a black and blue streak in my posts and in the replies I make to comments, but if you met me in person there would be a lot of silences (some uncomfortable, awkward, others comfortable, calming and soporific – people have told me quite often how relaxing my presence feels which always surprises me because I’m a mess of jangled nerves on a regular basis). I’m more at ease in social settings (if I really have to socialise… I’d prefer to be alone getting up to the shenanigans I get up to when alone) letting others do all the talking while I sit there listening (or thinking… my blog reflects the sort of things going on in inside of me while I sit quietly listening and thinking).
Keanu Reeves – expressing Virgo rising (Pluto in Virgo 1st house, and lots more Virgo)
A person’s rising sign can been seen in the clothes that they wear, their fashion choices (including if they choose to be ‘unfashionable’), people who like to dress as space aliens or cause shockwaves due to how they dress may have Aquarius rising. If you wear make-up it’ll show in the style of make-up which appeals to you (deciding to go ‘sans fards’ is also reflective of your rising sign – if you once wore a lot of make-up and then suddenly go ‘sans fards’ that may be due to a transit which affects your rising sign). If you prefer to be hairy rather than non-hairy, that is also your rising sign showing its preference (for instance most people with Leo rising have a mane of hair, even if it’s not on their head).
The way you work your body, your physical posture, gestures, and language will also reflect your ascendant – people who throw their weight around, whose physical presence feels solid might have a sign like Taurus rising, while those who wave their arms a lot when they communicate and look like they’re jousting windmills might have Sagittarius rising, those trying to be unobtrusive and blend into their surroundings might be a Virgo rising.
excerpt via Mystic Medusa – Style Your Ascendant: Virgo
Your rising sign can also be seen in your home, where you live and how you live in where you live. Your decor, particularly of those rooms which are open to the public… Leo rising might want you to be awed by their palace (they can turn even a tiny flat into a sumptuous manor), Libra rising will want to surround you with beauty, Pisces will be sentimentally attached to everything and each object has a story (there will be a lot of objects all over the place and they may politely ask you to excuse the mess but they love their mess, it’s not a mess to them, it’s home), Aries rising might have weapons hanging on the walls and a big stuffed grizzly bear in the hall to ‘welcome’ you, Cancer rising will usher you into the kitchen, the hub of the house, to feed you delicious cakes, you’re looking a bit pale, wan, and need fattening up, Virgo rising will eventually paint all their walls stark white and will be embarrassed about the ‘mess’ even if it’s empty.
excerpt via Astrotheme – The Zodiac and Interior Decoration
Hopefully that sort of explains the rising sign and its part in your astrology chart. Let’s move on to the rest of the 1st house… because the ascendant is part of the 1st house – the house of me, Me, ME, identity, personality, persona, the person who I believe that I am, I AM!
Your rising sign isn’t the only sign which is part of your ‘public persona’. It’s the threshold. It’s the persona who opens the door to meet, greet (and maybe kill) whoever (is crazy enough) to ring your doorbell, knock on your door (disturb you even though you had the No Molestar sign on the door handle).
Disturb a Virgo rising and they will try to appear undisturbed even if they look disturbing because you came a-calling at an hour when they thought no one would bother them and so they’re not prepared to deal with the public and that business known as socialising. A Virgo rising will worry about you worrying about… and will attempt to curb your worrying about (because they’re better at this worrying thing than you, seriously don’t challenge them to a worrying competition as you will end up with more worries than you ever knew existed, and they can cover all your worries including them in their own and deal with all of them logically and anally… I mean analytically).
No, no, no, you didn’t wake me up at all (they’ll say while trying to wipe sleep out of their eyes, remove slobber crust from their mouth, tidy their knotted hair), what can I do for you (to make you go away as politely as possible so they don’t have to deal with you being upset and stuff even though you’re the one disturbing them first)?
Oh, you’re a Jehovah’s Witness who thinks that early on Sunday morning is the best time to spread your message (people will definitely need saving in this scenario). What’s that? You want to give me a magazine which has – We’re all doomed – as a headline on its cover (it definitely feels like an appropriate sentiment at this very moment). Thank you for (for reminding me of everything I was taking a break from while sleeping) this gift which you’re expecting me to accept, be thankful for… what? Oh you only want to give this magazine to me on the condition that.. (I have conditions too, you know… of course you don’t know because you don’t care if you did we wouldn’t be here like this now). And you want to ask me… no wait, you don’t actually want to ask me anything, that was a rhetorical question signalling a lecture from you to me on the doorstep of my home. You know nothing about me, don’t really seem the least bit interested in me or knowing anything about me, but you are assuming an awful lot… this whole situation reeks of you and stuff about you, I’m just a prop in a story about you, and I’m supposed to play the part which you’ve assigned to me…
Kurt Cobain – Virgo rising
Well, I don’t know about other Virgo rising people and how they would handle this… we’d need to know more about what aspects their ascendant and what else other than the sign of Virgo resides in their 1st house.
I have Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars aspecting my ascendant. This is quite a crowd answering my front door for a meet and greet, and also a combo of possibilities of variations on my Virgo rising persona…
mostly I tend to just use my Moon as it is also in Virgo (thus compatible with my rising sign’s way of being), is closely conjunct my Ascendant (melts and droops all over that line from it’s placement in the 12th house) and, most of all, it tries to be understanding of the collective human situation (due to being in the 12th – a position of the Moon which some astrologers consider gives ‘psychic’ ability. I’m a bit meh about the whole ‘psychic’ thing too many people have… turned that into a circus of bollocks). It reminds me (as does my Venus in Pisces and Chiron in the 7th house) that others are as human as I am and we’re all a bunch of…
…atoms experiencing what it is like to coalesce and be in physical form lacking the usual magic which atoms have to zip-a-dee-doo-dah (okay, that bit was Uranus talking, it’s in my 1st house… just about and just about in the 1st house is good enough for it, in fact it loves playing the astrological houses hokey pokey… so it will sometimes be the persona to greet you at the door and it doesn’t give a popsicle what you think about it wearing Uggs, take your fashion sense and make Christmas dinner with it, on its ears to keep the hot thoughts safe and warm).
Sometimes my Mars in Scorpio will lurk behind my Virgo rising & Moon who are handling social interaction, keeping an eye on things just in case someone ‘takes my kindness’ as = doormat. Don’t. Do. That. Really don’t, this is a polite warning…
Mars in Scorpio is very much a – before you accuse me take a look at yourself, a long look, look again, and again at that part within you from which you keep averting your eyes, because if you don’t, and I’ll give you plenty of time to do it (being a Saturnine Capricorn), I will (okay I already did but it was only a cursory probe into your darkness and I’ll keep it to myself unless and until…) and you really don’t want me looking at you that closely. I look at myself that way and often hang, draw and quarter myself just because I can. I find doing that to myself quite painful but often helpful (see my Pluto below) but I realise this isn’t for everyone (took me awhile to learn that this wasn’t everyone’s ‘normal’ modus operandi).
Marilyn Manson – while not a Virgo rising (he has Leo rising), he has a very similar chart to mine (he was born a couple of days before me). He’s very Mars in Scorpio.
When researching your own astro it’s worth checking out those with similar astro, who knows what you’ll find… but you.
However I also have Pluto firmly planted in the 1st house, thankfully though it’s retrograde (which means its primal killer instinct is focused inwards rather than outwards – I’m more likely to kill myself than you, just don’t test me about that). Mess with me and you will at some point encounter my Pluto firmly planted in Virgo in the 1st house and… you really don’t want to meet the lord of the analytical underworld. He’s boring as hell! He counts every pomegranate seed, sheesh! If you don’t know what I mean by that (the pomegranate seeds) then you haven’t delved into the mythology of astrology which is one of the pleasures most delish about exploring this subject… it leads you to other subjects… story leads to story and maybe somewhere within this layered world you’ll find something which shows you more of your own personal story form a perspective which gives you a panaroma you might not have seen of yourself, your life, of others, their lives, of all and all intertwining…
Mostly I’ll avoid introducing you to my Pluto because… frankly it’s too intense and no one needs that on a first ‘date’. Or second, or third, or ever… sure, sure, in the bedroom… no, Pluto in the bedroom is not sexy unless you’re into demon possession, but it’s a Virgo demon (in my case) so you will be possessed with an urge to clean your house until it bleeds. Just kidding Pluto style… or am I?
Pluto in the 1st = many mini-deaths of me, and me, and me…
Even the most innocuous of encounters can lead me on a journey (which has usually been a long time coming)… to an appointment in Samarra for an aspect of my personality whose time it is to die because it’s become too much of an ass, a burden, a beast of a burden… or something like that. Time for change, growth, a mini-death and rebirth.
One of my favourite stories (within a story)
Okay, time to end this…
Wait, I thought they said sun sign is one’s mask in public!?
The Ascendant/rising sign is usually viewed as the ‘mask we wear in public’. The Sun sign is usually viewed as representing the ‘ego’.
“The Sun tells us of the actual core of a person, the inner self, of that which is of central concern. It also shows us the general vitality and the ability to assert oneself, it describes a general tone of being which colors everything else.”
– from Astrodienst’s quick overview of the planets – http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_planets1_e.htm
“The rising sign, i.e. the sign which crosses the eastern horizon at the moment of birth, is a major element of the natal chart because it describes our general behaviour and our outward appearance and indicates how people perceive us when they meet us for the first time.
It is important to grasp the difference between the Ascendant sign and the Sun sign, i.e., the sign in which the Sun is posited at the moment of birth. Unlike the Ascendant, the Sun sign refers to the deepest part of us which is more genuine but less accessible because it is meant for our friends and relatives only.”
– from Astrodienst’s article about the Sun sign and Ascendant – http://www.astrotheme.com/files/sun_and_ascendant.php
Thanks for the useful link and details.
A shallow/unprofessional question: do people with Virgo rising also be affected by the Mercury in a good way now?
Not a shallow question at all 😉
One of the reasons I like astrology is because it offers both the positive and negative of something, and makes a point of showing that positive and negative are two halves of a whole, one can’t exist without the other and they flow into each other. Like the Yin Yang symbol – something negative holds positive within it, something positive holds negative within it.
So, yes, those with Virgo rising get both the positive and negative of their link to Mercury. Mercury gives Virgo the ability to observe, discern, and figure things out in a logical manner. If you have a problem which you can’t solve on your own seeking out someone who has a strong Virgo signature in their chart is a good idea because they will dissect the problem and find what needs fixing and what doesn’t.
This is an interesting take on Mercury – http://www.serendipity-astrolovers.com/mercury-astrology.html#axzz4RV63MYMF
I went to a site to see what my ascending was and got two different answers! One says Aries is my ascending and the other said Pisces was (Pisces is my astrologic ((sun)) sign)…how confusing is that? The description given of the Aries ascending (or what we present to the world to quote your words here) was so far in left field that I’m guessing it SHOULD have been the Pisces ascending, because that was far more accurate. But. It also gave me as my Moon sign (descending is that correct?) Aquarius and the second time Pisces. Is it possible to have a triple shot that way? Pisces all the way in other words?
Thank you for sharing 🙂
The rising sign is figured out using your time of birth, place of birth is also relevant. If your time of birth happens to coincide with when the sign on the horizon was changing (which happens approximately every 2 hours) then you’re known as being on a ‘cusp’ and figuring out which side of the cusp your rising sign actually falls can be difficult. There are a lot of forum threads about the problems which being on a cusp can cause when trying to read a natal chart.
The Moon also changes signs fairly rapidly, and it sounds like you’re on the cusp with your Moon too.
Did you use Astrodienst’s chart calculator, it’s here – http://www.astro.com/horoscopes – click on the Chart Drawing, Ascendant option at the bottom of the page, it’ll take you to a dialogue page – just log in as a ‘guest’ – and that will take you to the data entry page which will then take you to your chart once you’ve filled it in.
Since you have your Sun in Pisces (and may also have Moon in Pisces) you will relate to what you read about Pisces rising, and that will make it difficult to determine the rising sign just by reading up on Pisces and Aries rising.
The Moon isn’t ‘descending’. There is such a thing as a Descendant – it is the angle exactly opposite the Ascendant. With Moon in either Aquarius or Pisces your Moon won’t be anywhere near the Descendant but will be closer to the Ascendant.
And yes it is very possible to have multiple placements in one sign – it’s called a ‘stellium’ in astrology. There are some natal charts which have almost all their placements in one sign and it means that they’re very much that particular sign.
What struck me while reading about your quandary of which sign is rising, Pisces or Aries, is the name of your blog – sparks from a combustible mind – that sounds more like something an Aries would choose as a blog title rather than a Pisces and it could reflect your rising sign and maybe point to it being Aries. However since you used the word ‘mind’ it could also be related to your Mercury as Mercury is viewed as the planet with represents the mind. With a Pisces Sun you could have Mercury in Aries (Mercury is always close to the Sun in astrology and is either in the same sign as the Sun or in the one before or after the Sun sign) which could definitely be described as a combustible mind 🙂
Hello, Egotistical Douchbag here (aka I’m Too Sexy For My Shirt). 😉 I discovered that I have Scorpio rising, a position I share with Hitler, Napoleon & Mussolini. And oh yes, Jackie Kennedy. Yay. 😉 If I’ve got this right, my Scorpio also has Mars in Taurus and Pluto in Virgo (like you). Then I have the Moon in Aquarius. So, the worst read of this is that I’m a mean-spirited, detached little serial killer with really bad shoes. Or, I should have spent my life catching them. 😉
This has been fun. 🙂
Haha! Thank you for participating in the fun 😀
Just the other day I was reading an intriguing interview with Carl Jung where he shared his perspective on Hitler and Mussolini – http://christopherdickey.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/carl-jung-on-hitler-stalin-and_5.html – I came across that while checking out a post on Trump on one of my favourite astrology blogs – http://www.oxfordastrologer.com/2016/11/the-donald-americas-shadow-steps-out-of-the-looking-glass-p1.html.
The astrologer who runs that blog has a particularly interesting way of working with astrology, she’s very good at showing how your natal chart comes through in your personality and life and she has done some fascinating profiles of famous people and their astro. I’ve learned a lot from reading her work.
This site is a good place to find astrological information, here’s their post on Scorpio rising – https://cafeastrology.com/scorpio_ascendantrisingsign.html – with a quick overview on how having Mars in Taurus and Pluto in Virgo affect Scorpio rising:
“Scorpio Rising and Mars in Taurus
Your Mars is in the highly sensual, productive and fertile sign of Taurus. Appetites, desires and craving for sensual life tend to rule you. Tasting and taking great pleasure in the feast of life, without being dominated by your cravings or habitually overindulging, is a key to happiness for you. You also have a determined and steady will force and great stamina to bring your goals and dreams to fruition. You are highly fertile on every level. Obstinacy and not knowing when to let go or change course can create problems for you, however.”
“Scorpio Rising and Pluto in Virgo
Your Pluto in Virgo reveals a drive for perfection or self-purification that can become compulsive. Guilt over real or imagined wrongs needs to be shed. Also, you have a capacity for in-depth analysis, technical expertise or perfection, and exacting precision in your work.”
Leo Sun with Scorpio rising, Mars in Taurus and Moon in Aquarius – those signs are part of the Fixed signs group – https://www.astrologyzone.com/learn-astrology/three-qualities/fixed/ – very focused, very capable of getting things done. Something to look for in your chart is if they interact by aspect – aspects are those lines and those lines give body to the story of the positions, they show conversations between the different placements in the chart and often reflect inner dynamics and conversations between different parts of the self.
Sounds like an awesome chart 🙂
Thank you. 🙂
Very interesting article from Christopher Dickey. And the idea of the shadow is also interesting – come to the dark side; we have really great cookies. 😉
I enjoyed reading the other links, as well. A lot of it is really dead on. 🙂
Sorry, I meant to respond in more detail but I’m nursing a toothache – root canal tomorrow, yay 😯 – so am signing off. Chat later. 🙂
Best wishes for a speedy recovery ❤
Btw, in medical astrology Saturn rules the teeth – http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/signs-medical.html
Thank you. 🙂 I’m feeling much better, just a little achy. It was a gruelling, painful experience. Yuck.😨 Dentists. Not my thing.
It’s interesting that Saturn rules the teeth, skin and joints. I’ve had trouble to varying degrees with all three.
I was listening recently to a radio show (CBC) about the first real wave of non-white immigrants to Canada – they were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin under his policy of ejecting all Asians from the country. One of the interviewees compared Amin to Trump and referred to him several times as “dark” and as “appealing to the dark.” Not unusual in and of itself but I was strongly reminded of those articles that you linked to. It’s as if the angry people who voted for Trump are trying to pass on a collective narcissistic wound. That’s pretty similar to what happened in Germany.
Fixed signs. It’s funny, but I have never thought of myself like that, even though the descriptions I read contain a lot of accuracy. I have experienced a lot a change over the course of my life and even at times have craved it. As I see it now though, this was mostly a restlessness deriving from a lot of dissatisfaction. Movement was a distraction. In keeping with the idea that I’m experiencing a lot of change right now, getting the right change feels very important.
Thanks for the links. 🙂 I haven’t looked at the aspects yet though.
Ugh dentists! Glad to hear it’s all over and you just need to focus on getting better, apply lots of TLC! 🙂
I think now more than ever each person needs to get to know themselves and figure out what is truly of value for them. We’ve lived in a time of excess as a society, then crashed, never got over the crash and keep holding out for a hero to return things to the days of Camelot, but as Monty Python pointed out – Camelot is a very silly place!
African politics have a lot to teach the rest of the world. The story of Liberia is one I find particularly fascinating, especially the period of recent history which includes Charles Taylor. The dream of freedom seems irrevocably linked to tyranny.
If you’re really into the politics of power and all the shenanigans which go on behind the scenes I’d recommend reading Noam Chomsky’s Understanding Power – love this book and the stories inside of it. Gives a different perspective of a lot of what goes on in politics, industry, and other organisations which want, get and use power (and the power of the people).
The right change often comes via a process of elimination which may require experience of the wrong kinds of change first 🙂
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